When u bribed to do something illegal,,,,the law will catch on sooner or later...I don't have any sympathy for people doing illegal land use...The roads gets clogged up because of shops and offices made on roads...There is office in bldg adjacent to my place and its a nuisance,,I cant sleep in the afternoons because of office people chatting loudly in corridor or talking loudly on mobiles.......
An extra floor means extra people,,,so more parking place,,more water and electricity usage for that area,,all this makes the facilities in the area crumble...
I think when u bribe to do something illegal knowingly,,then the law will catch on to u sooner or later, In the end the government officer in pressure from senior officers and law will just take the course of the law,,he wont give up his job coz he had taken the bribe earlier .. ( are we expecting some morals????) . If you feel the law is not correct, fight the law, there are ways to do that in a democratic and elite society...
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Update 2 on 10 january 2005.
Please lets focus on the demolitions in delhi and not on the great skyscrapers and facilities in Manhattan/New York. Why we cant make new delhi like New york,,that can be another interesting topic to discuss about,,but its a topic on which i am not very competent to write about,,,,,,anybody willing to write on this topic,,i willl publish it here ,,or link to the post,,,
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Update 3 on 20 Jan 2005
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very nice and totally agree with you. I hope this demolition drive continue for sometime so that Delhi can be a better place.Amit
I totally agree with you. I hope this demolition drive continue for sometime so that Delhi can be a better place/BOBBY
the demolition drive needs to be quite regular in order to keep such illegal construction away..and from the news reports on TV, it seems they are breaking off perfectly legal and licensed structures too!
The thing is correct but the WHOLE THING is that ki "Bhaiya Sabse Bada Rupaiyaa" according to Abhishek Baba and why I have quoted this is because in this DRY RUN of demolition still people who are having money are again applying the loop of bribing and are getting SCOT free. So the real culprits are not getting penalised which might be the basic aim of this drive.
Hence Shila Aunty needs to think with Nigam uncle that are they promoting the idea of sub-bribing or they are really worried about making DELHI K-LEAN
@SD- I appreciate ur views....but the people wont become civil in office next doors but then the office wont be there,,as its a residential area..Even if the demolition occors in 4-5 yrs totally it will be worth the effort...it will also deter people from making new illegal structures...builders dupe because people are naive,,but it always happens,,if u allow the other person to make a fool of u,,he will do that
@sanjiv- shiela auntie has nothing to do with this,,its the order of the high court,,shiels auntie is more worried abt the votes than delhi becoming a slum. thats Y yamuna is still a dirty drain..
@Sidharth,
DDA is quite OK, I mean with the vigilance and all there, the corruption is not easy in DDA since many yrs..The problem occurs when the people just go out and pay money,,,people don’t have the patience to go thru the right route…. I can comment on this with greater confidence as my dad retired from DDA just a few yrs back.
Sainik farms is illegal but atleast they r not creating a menace…..the worst is the farm houses that have opened encroached the green areas of delhi,,,like mittal garden and start gardens near chattarpur,,,
Thanks for the comments,
I agree...this whole destruction madness is the long way around....they need to enforce master plans before contrsuctions begin.Beijing is building for the Olympics aur yahaan Dikshit is destroying Delhi.Paagal ho gayein hain, kya?
Whatis it with the "follow-the-law" until the cows fly home logic?
The laws are built for the benefit of the people and not theother way around.There is clearly a NEED for India's billions for infrastructure.
The Authorized infratrsuc does not sufficewhich is why people move to unauthorized..and they do quite well....Whois the guilty here?The fools who planned things without thinking ahead making archaic laws?Or the people who need simple infrastructure to survive?
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"An extra floor means extra people,,,so more parking place,,more water and electricity usage for that area,,all this makes the facilities in the area crumble.."
You obviously have not seen people live in places like New York buddy!Never mind one extra floor they live upto 100 floors in a row, all lovingly, and quite happily ...TOGETHER.
See all one needs is the will to do things..that's all.
@anonymous1- i dont agree with the enforce law logic,,people should follow the law,,need to enforce should not arise. we are also making a better delhi for olympics by demolition..so that roads r not clogged and delhi looks neater and planned.
@anonymous2- the laws are built for benifit of all and not few,,allowing illegal construction helps few troubles many more..we can always cry abt the authorised infra not sufficing..THERE IS NEVER AN NUF OF ANYTHING..
@anonymous3- i think by new york u mean Manhattan buddy,,i was there abt a few months back...Manhattan was planned that ways,so thats that area can sustain the high density,,they have wide roads and great public transportation..BTW hte parking is also enormously expensive...U ready to pay that in delhi??????
I think there are 2 strands of argument here which need to be separated - the nature of the law; and the implementation of the law.
On the second, i think the drive is completely warranted - there is no point having laws if they are not implemented, and I firmlay believe that the rule of law is critical to a modern, orderly society.
On the first, though, Delhi is suffering fom a Master Plan that is overly restrictive and status quoist in nature. It is one of the few cities in the world where the vast central part of the city is non-rise, the suburbs low-rise, but the mid- and high-rise take place in neighbouring states!
Until the master plan and the attendant laws make extensive place for redevelopment, the laws will not be observed.
Mohit satyanand
@Mohit- No plan is perfect,,and so is the delhi ,master plan.. BUT not allowing high rise is a good decision as it does not impose high pressure on the utilities....Delhi might have slums to the magnitude of mumbai if all the high rise was allowed everywhere...For every family is a high rise the support structure needs to be there,,,the housing for maids, press wallah, chowkidaar etc..so these people r then forced to live in a slum nearby...
High rise to some extent is allowed in Noida and gurgaon, but they have ensured that the builders provide the proper infra..the roads are wide,,etc etc
i am not an expert in planning or architecture,,,but these are my views :-) thanks for taking time out to comment....
Both of you are off on a tangent...if you think the New Yorker, or New Amsterdamers,as they were once called, planned for New York areas like The Bronx,the Manhattan skyscrapers or the Brooklyn Bridge, then I suggest you and your like contest the upcoming elections in NY with Rudolph Guliani on your side,who is also of Italian descent,and an equal loser....
All of New York is built on people's ingenuity....Delhi is not even allowing that....atleast on the Master plan!
Apropos of the are you ready to pay higher parking fees,Buddy I pay the government of India in every transaction I do,via n number of taxes.......And Don't give me that Jansankhya ka bahaana....that won't do either......The government will have to be more efficient...
@anonymous1- i am not aware abt the history of Manhattan,,maybe had u given me some link,,it wud have been great.. But then i just cant believe there are no building laws in manhattan,,i did not see shops extending out on the streets and covering the footpath?????? BTW abt RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI check http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/bio.html Some facts along with ur statements would have been surely enlightening,,,,
@anonymous2-so u want to say that americans dont pay the taxes along with the parking,,,,u seriously make me laugh,..[sorry]
http://libertyseek.blogspot.com/ I found this very relevant point..it makes sense!
@anonymous - i found it a very sorry case of writing skills and mental health.
Personal opinions,,and we both are entitles to have one :-)
@sentinelx - If you think politicians are behind the demolitions then u r v wrong..its the court..When the MCD takes money for illegal construction the politicians get thier booty out of it..
MCD is just demolishing coz they r scared of courts..if u want to blame anybody blame the courts..U talk about half of the other world and the demolitions and u dont even know who is behind it and why it is happening suddenly now after 50 yrs???
i dont think demolition order is right for the court.someone please tell them ,if residential shop will close then what will people do for food.mall will help delhite but think if no delhite is their then what will mall do. It also completely ignores the involvement of officials in the "illegal" buildings coming up in the first place. Where does their accountability lie? Mind u, these constructions have come up over several decades and not overnight
I am Harish,government doing well but they have to make more mkts in which they allot shops to whom they got out from their current shop.
Do you really feel that this "demolition drive" is to "clean" Delhi? This is nothing more than another money making scheme. Their coffers are running dry as all the money is spent by the corrupt officials on activities other than development of Delhi.
This demolition drive without accountability is a complete waste. Three yeras from know there will be a new building code and this "drive" will continue again. Why can't someone think and plan ahead of time, create a master plan? Think of the poor people who spent their life earnings and sweat into this only to learn that it is illegal construction. I say catch the officials that took the bribe, recoover the money from them and put this money into improving these "illegal" areas. And, hang the officials!!
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